The Senate Finance and Public Administration Committee will be sharpening the pencil this week and next with a report due on 2 February on a problem former Clerk of the Senate Harry Evans describes as one of the biggest facing legislatures around the world: what should be done when a minister, on claimed public interest immunity grounds, refuses to produce documents in response to an order, and the Senate only has a broad statement of reasons for the claim?The Committee is considering a proposal to call on an independent arbiter to determine if the claims are justified. Since the resolution was referred last November, the Committee received 11 submissions and held a hearing in Sydney on 7 December.
Here's Harry Evans in his first appearance before a senate committee in a private capacity, on the nature of the problem, and how the resolution might help:
A large part of the problem is that Public Service departments have an instinctive reaction to withhold information from disclosure. If a committee or the Senate itself asks for something and there a vague idea that it is sensitive in some way or it is something that has not been published, the instinctive reaction of government departments is to say, ‘No, you can’t have it,’ and then to think up some plausible reasons why you cannot have it. Then it goes to the minister and the minister more or less feels obliged to support the department. Ministers are naturally reluctant to overrule their department and say: ‘No. I think this information should be disclosed’—although, good ministers should know how to do that. So you have the problem of these cases remaining unresolved.
If this system were in place, I hope it would deal with the problem at the source back in the department, where departmental officers would say to themselves: ‘If we say they can’t have it, it has to go to the minister and the minister has to make a decision and then, if the Senate is not satisfied, it will go off to this arbitration and we will have to make a submission or produce the information to the arbitrator. That is a very time-consuming and troublesome process. Let’s think more carefully about whether we can really let them have it in the first place.’ I hope that would be the deterrent effect of this process being in place—right back at the source, officers of departments will think more carefully about whether there really are any persuasive and valid reasons for withholding information in the first place.
The weight of evidence before the Committee suggests the need, if much is to be accomplished, to come up with something stronger than what was proposed - asking the Auditor General (in any claim of commercial in confidence) or an otherwise independent arbiter (in the case of other claims) for a report based on the Minister's stated reasons. The Government is unlikely to find some of the suggestions in submissions and evidence palatable.
Professor Anne Twomey, who has researched and written about the NSW scheme, says the whole exercise will be a waste of time if the proposal goes ahead without a requirement to produce documents to the arbiter. She has other concerns about the proposed resolution, and urged the Committee to ensure the resolution contained clear rules about what qualified for a public interest immunity claim and what did not.
Clerk of the NSW Legislative Council Lynn Lovelock can't see how the scheme can work without the documents being available to the arbiter. Auditor General Ian McPhee doesn't want a role in any of this, saying that asking him to arbitrate goes beyond traditional functions of his office. Commonwealth Ombudsman Professor John McMillan sees merit, and alignment of functions, in giving the arbiter's job to the proposed Information Commissioner.
Clerk of the NSW Legislative Council Lynn Lovelock can't see how the scheme can work without the documents being available to the arbiter. Auditor General Ian McPhee doesn't want a role in any of this, saying that asking him to arbitrate goes beyond traditional functions of his office. Commonwealth Ombudsman Professor John McMillan sees merit, and alignment of functions, in giving the arbiter's job to the proposed Information Commissioner.







